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OPINION AND POLITICAL TYPE MESSAGES - A FIRESIDE CHAT WITH RAZZ

Hello Razzies,

One of the purposes I have for running TheRazzLine is to provide a comm line within our community to allow members from diverse locations and life endeavors to have a means to contact one another and to share points of interest. In that spirit, I help members to express their opinions on a variety of topics and don’t restrict the flow of the comm unless a message is confusing or an attack on another member.

Continue reading ‘OPINION AND POLITICAL TYPE MESSAGES - A FIRESIDE CHAT WITH RAZZ’

CHANGE IN MESSAGE FORWARDING POLICY!

Regarding your message which hasn‘t gone out and you’re wondering why not.

Your message is not the only one. I put a hold on all messages which can be construed as being for personal gain or profit. These messages stopped going out in early June 2006.

This was done because of an ongoing investigation into the use of SCN mailing lists. The point addressed is that mailing lists are a collection of names of SCNs and thereby the property of HCO. That being the case it is therefore inappropriate for forwarding of certain types of messages. I’ve held messages as a way to protect the group members and TheRazzLine until this matter was fully sorted out.

Recently, I met with the Enf Off WISE WUS and we went over this cycle. I’ve reviewed policy on the matter and as a result there will be changes with the forwarding of messages on TheRazzLine.

The first thing you should know is that TheRazzLine will not shut down, that would be Suppressive. TheRazzLine has and continues to create huge and dramatic effects within our community. The comm lines which have opened up through this and other services just like it have helped SCNs to forward the greater good in uncountable ways. Any attempt to “shut down” TheRazzLine is a misguided effort to “apply policy” and completely inappropriate.

That said, the handling of messages on this line will change. I’m sure the other services that have been operating on a similar basis will also change. Factually, this goes for any service which has a list of SCNs to which they communicate. I’m not familiar with the current scenes with other services but you can expect to see changes with some of them.

For the purposes of clarifying the policy application I will list below the policies and the sections of those polices that are to be applied:

HCO PL 4 MAR 1965RA Iss II REV 7 JULY 1983 TECHNICAL AND POLICY DISTRIBUTION
- Vol 7 - Pg 1291 - The applicable reference is on Pg 1294 - #5:…

“The Scientology public and any mailing lists are the exclusive property of HCO. It does not matter how the mailing list was gathered or if we ever saw it before. If someone used Scientology to collect names, that’s a Scientology mailing list. It’s ours and comes under this policy.”

HCO PL 31 JAN 1983, THE REASON FOR ORGS:
“The only reason orgs exist is TO SELL AND DELIVER MATERIALS AND SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC AND GET IN PUBLIC TO SELL AND DELIVER TO. THE OBJECT IS TOTALLY FREED BEINGS!”

SPD 18 Oct 1995, OUTSIDE FIRMS AND TERMINALS FORBIDDEN TO OPERATE ON ORG PREMISES
“NO OTHER BUSINESS MAY OCCUR ON ORG PREMISES AND THE ORG RESOURCES (MAILING LISTS, NAME, SPACE, GOODWILL, PUBLIC, STAFF MAGAZINES, ETC.) MAY NOT BE USED FOR ANY OTHER THAN THE ABOVE.

“NO GROUP OR INDIVIDUAL MAY USE ANY ORG RESOURCE FOR ANY REASON OTHER THAN SELLING AND DELIVERING SERVICES AND BOOKS AND BRINGING IN PUBLIC TO SELL AND DELIVER TO.

“This means no business may set up workplace in an org or contact org public to sell other services or goods other than Scientology or Dianetics Services or Bookstore items.”

So, this means that no messages involving the sale of items or services or promoting businesses will go out on this line. It will extend out to the sale of personal MEST and even rooms for rent, etc.
As time permits, I will add messages of that type that are sent in to the web site page for viewing by anyone who goes to the site. Please understand that this site is accessible by anyone.

There is no effort here to cut comm lines or reduce the community which has developed as a result of having this comm line. I hope you understand this change and your cooperation is appreciated.

Best, Ray

Membership Directory Survey

Would you like to have a membership directory for TheRazzLine?

 

1. Would you like to have an optional Membership Directory for TheRazzLine?  
Yes  89 ( 76% )
No[list]  6 ( 5% )
NA  22 ( 19% )

2. Assuming there was a directory, what information should be included?

Check all that apply

  
Member name  107 ( 91% )
City of residence  99 ( 85% )
Org affiliation  58 ( 50% )
Length of time as member  28 ( 24% )
Email address  85 ( 73% )
Occupation  76 ( 65% )
3D activities  56 ( 48% )
Hobbies  39 ( 33% )
Marital status  33 ( 28% )
Number of children  14 ( 12% )
Other?[list]  27 ( 23% )
NA  2 ( 2% )
3. If such a directory existed would you wish to be included?  
Yes, I would  63 ( 54% )
Yeah, but I would only fill out some of the data  35 ( 30% )
No  19 ( 16% )
 
4. If there is to be a directory what things should not be included?
no big can’t have…

home address, phone number

There should only be the e-mail and city/state of where they are and nothing more specific for privacy purposes. And anything that a member wants removed from their entry, they should be able to remove it.

Case level, age

nothing… It’d only be available for viewing by other Scn… so I feel safe on these lines here w/u Ray….

There could be lots of options. But we need to be able to choose what we want listed. What you have above seems sufficient.

Personal information or location. When I was part of an other site, that board was infiltrated and all of my contact info and relation to others who worked for the church and their personal location and contact info was published on an SP site. So I only put basic 3D info on such a comm-line now.

areas of expertise/interest, phone number and or address in the physical universe

I think the razz line should be set up like craigslist. The bigger it gets and the more email I get the less I want it coming to my computer. I like being on the comm line but I don’t have the time to sort through everyone’s needs & wants to see if I’m interested in that comm. Thank you

This is tough as I have no interest. I’ll have to let others say what should not be included

advertising, banner ads. Classifieds okay

Maybe that would be up to the individual? Some people post everything about themselves, some are nervous about any public listing.

phone number

Conditions notifications should be clearly in a seperate section, if at all, labels as such, so that you must enter that area to view Conditions announcements. In general, I would like notices to be posted in groups: real estate, cars for sale, Org announcements, VM cycles, etc.

All the fields should be optional.

email address would be a violation of privacy that could lead to unwanted emails

addresses, personal information, business names, promotional or sales advertisements,

the org; not relevant to my needs Appended answer to #3 question: My answer would best be described as “I would want the choice later on”.

If possible some sort of intro from the person. What services (if any) do they offer.

I would not like to see it used as a Personal directory. I like the Church affiliated flaour of the RazzLine and the fact this line enables us to move toward a cleared planet. If one comes across a 2D type commn line as a byproduct of this, great!!! But I would not like to see it swerve into being a personals type of thing. I recently was sponsored for Orkut, 14 million people in the group, sounds good, but when I really looked, too 2D oriented. The pity is that it is a wog type group, but based on the purpose of Orkut (minus the 2d flavour) it could work well.

Phone numbers.

Nothing, unless the list is protected by a frequently-changed password. I’ve had an e-mail intercepted by some anti-Scn guy who then posted it on his website for all to see. It’s wasn’t good. I learned from it.

Comment: There should be a rule that people cannot just lift the names and make broad-emailing lists of their own (i.e., so people don’t get junk email as a result of being on the list). In a way, the Scn online website already provides a way for people to be found and contacted, so a Razzline membership list shouldn’t really be necessary, come to think of it… Will the list be searchable by certain criteria (e.g., real estate or Scouts or etc.)

telephone, address.

The things I didn’t check in #2. More personal information can be gotten via direct email.

Personal information.

I think very personal info including ways to contact you at your home or job should be opptional and other than that if people offer services or something then that should be included.

address or phone number or email address. i would also want to be able to list my blog or web page address.

Email, phone, home address, social security number :-)

can’t think of any

don’t know

all of the above and web site address and phone number

email address must be optional. I hope you make listing optional too. Great service Ray.

Phone number, address - any personal information.

don’t really have an answer to #4, but want to say more on #3…. I would love to have a directory and see who’s out there and what they do - that would be awesome. I would be reluctant to have my email address posted because then I would get spammed. …maybe I’d be happy to be listed but list my other email address and not this one… can I do that? If so, then yes, check the middle box for question #3.

Name, Last Name, Address and Phone Number

financial data

weight & income, 2 numbers I never give out.

Any that the person would not want to appear. One’s profile should be customizable. In other words, I should be able to put there my profile choosing from a very wide spectrum of possible things to include in it: name, details, profession… anything. This simplifies things for everyone, also for the moderator, as it would keep personal slogans, personal presentations etc. to a minimum and easy to check.

Where you are on Bridge Why number of children?

See above.

In the current state of the site, none of this information should be incldued.

All I’d want is the name and email so I could contact the people

Whatever wouldn’t be interesting to people though they’d probably ignore it if it wasn’t.


marital status, children, hobbies

Something that the members and the church would consider to be a security issue. No sure exactly what but you know what I mean - I hope.

The option to fill out or not fill out data in the directory. People vary as to what information they want to give out. For some it could be the email address. for others it could be something else. Just give people the option to have the data in the directory be as complete or incomplete as they like.

 

WELCOME TO THERAZZLINE!

You’ve reached a new site for TheRazzLine.  All features are not yet fully active. This site is undergoing further development. 

Please check the Policy and guidelines page to get an idea of how the group works.

Review the Member Survey page to learn the results of the recent survey responses.

Best,  Razz






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